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This is classic gaslighting...

which is easier when you have several media outlets under your thumb


For years, these false claims have been debunked, and no matter how much air time Fox gives them, they will remain false. Fox is giving a platform for these lies to a former Ukrainian prosecutor general whose office his own deputy called ‘a hotbed of corruption,’ drawing demands for reform not only from then-Vice President Biden but also from U.S. diplomats, international partners, and Republican senators like Ron Johnson.


Repeated saying that something has been debunked has been the staple of the left for the past several years. If I had a dollar for every "debunked" fact about Covid that turned out to be completely true, I could probably start hanging with Elon and picking up the check. But this is the tried and true method of manipulating the sheep that call themselves liberals. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. It really is that easy.


How it works is simple. You simply ignore facts. You trust that CNN, MSNBC, WaPo and the NYT will also ignore the facts. Then you provide your alternative lie in opposition to those facts and simply demand (without proof) that the facts have been debunked.


This one is simple. The lie is that the prosecutor was fired for cause, because he was not standing up to corruption. The lie has been repeated as the truth so much that many on the left just accept it. Even your liberal fact checkers accept it.


What evidence is there that there was an official position by the United States that Shokin was corrupt and needed to be fired? Well actually there is no actual evidence of any official stance by the United States suggesting Shokin needed to go. In fact, the official stance of our State Department (which was overseeing corruption in Ukraine) was that the billion dollars was being provided because they had turned the corner in combatting corruption. Official documents not only suggest Ukraine had been making strides, but those documents praised Shokin for being responsible for much of the progress.


So how do you go from our State Department praising Shokin for his fight against corruption to demanding he be fired in order to garner the billion dollars that was apparently part of the reward for the progress that had been made? Well, it's easy. You simply pretend that you did not just praise Shokin, and instead tell people Shokin was corrupt and expect that everyone will ignore all the evidence that suggest you are lying.


Now what are the chances that David Archer, Banks fraud departments, FBI agents, IRS agents, SEC agents, State Department employees, and Ukrainian investigators tied to Burisma are all just part of a grand conspiracy to frame Joe and Hunter Biden as trying to undermine the Burisma investigation in exchange for a five million dollar bribe? Think of the amount of coordination that it would take to put all of these people, all of these US departments, and even foreign entities all on the same page. All in order to push the grand conspiracy that the $20 million dollars coming from Ukraine, China and other foreign countries, ran through 19 shell corporations, and into the nine Biden accounts identified, prompting 130 suspicious activity reports was not legitimate income.


We are supposed to believe what they say is the truth. That the 20 million was income made by Hunter as a high profile attorney and political advisor. That he was able to not only earn all of this money legitimately (without using the big guy's influence) but also able to set up this elaborate banking system to move the money into other family member accounts. But this lie also requires that we simultaneously believe that the reason he hid this from the IRS and never paid taxes was because he was a drug addict and not responsible enough to cover that pesky tax portion of the whole deal.


I guess my job as a problem solver and troubleshooter of advanced technical and business related issues makes me too curious to simply take what the White House tells us at face value. I suppose that is why I am not able to just "accept" the explanation given and might ask for specifics as to what portion of this has been debunked? Because questioning, getting to the root cause, and actually solving issues is my life.


I guess if I was a liberal who simply watches CNN and reads WaPo, then I would be hopelessly uninformed. Being uninformed, could then just accept that it must be true that this has been debunked, because that is all I have ever been told. No actually "evidence" is needed you see. Because everyone knows that this is just a giant conspiracy and even life long Democrats who come forward as whistleblowers are Trump loving, right wing, QAnon conspiracy theorist and cannot be trusted. It's really that simple and your average liberal doesn't need any stinking facts or evidence or proof to believe.






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Unknown member
Aug 26, 2023

Well said

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