No sighs of relief yet from Trump supporters

But at least two polls have shown that Harris did not benefit much from the debate

Of course all of this could change over he next few days as more post-debate polls come out, but the first couple of polls that had any sort of post-debate sample have suggested two different things:

• That most people thought Harris won the debate

• That the debate did not change many minds or convinced many undecideds

One of the polls suggested that Harris had gained a point since the pre-debate poll, however within the cross-tabs she had actually lost support with independents and was buoyed by a larger sampling of Democrats vs Republicans. The other pollster pointed out that Trump has actually gained a point and gained with independents since their pre-DNC poll (which was obviously weeks ago). So who knows how much movement has happened and when. The time between polls makes it difficult to get an accurate read on the debate effects.

But obviously a point or two in either direction could be nothing more than noise. It might not represent anything tangible. I am starting to get the feeling that the old "things don't change much after labor day" theory might be in play here a bit. It may be hard to move people off their desired path.

The problem here is that we have become a very biased and divided country and neither Trump or Harris are exactly seen as moderates within their own Party. They can pretend or try to convince the country that they are moderate, but this is a heavy lift for anyone intending to vote the other direction. Now, in theory, Trump is not a crazy right wing policy guy, but rather people see him as a personality driven conservative. He will be forever tied to the USSC decision to overturn Roe v Wade, as if he personally did it and critics will forever argue that he attempted to "overturn" an election by holding a rally. Harris might have a more demure personality and come across as less divisive, but her policies are definitely more liberal than most in her own Party. Those who are against Harris will always see her as a California liberal left of Bernie Sanders, and no policy page on a website will change that.

Those who are undecided seem largely undecided based on a lack of knowledge about Kamala's policy positions, which apparently were not clarified much from watching the debate. They seem unswayed by what has been put out on her behalf, and unswayed by those who bring up her past positions. Not sure what will push these people in one direction or the other, but it seems clear that they are still waiting for something.

My last point is that while many on the left are celebrating a Harris debate victory, many are writing about how independents and undecideds were not as swayed by Harris's performance as much as they expected. Now this sort of lowering of the expectations may be just a reaction to focus groups and snap polls, or it could be that there may be some inside polling information that just has not been released quite yet. Time will tell.