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Has there ever actually been a Palestine where Israel exists?

This is sort of a semantic question, but in terms of a "country" run by Palestinians, the answer is no, no, and more no.


Let's start with the most obvious problem. Israel became Israel (a Jewish homeland) in 1948. The land provided to them by all international authority was what is today known as Israel as well as Gaza and the West Bank.


The concept of people called Palestinians was not even a thing until Yasir Arafat and others declared it so sometime in the late 1960s approximately two decades after Israel came to be. In fact, unlike Israel, which has a legal founding date and everything, the idea of the Palestinians is not a legal thing and Palestinians (as they exist today) have never had a country where Israel is currently residing.


The semantic argument would only exist in a non-relational relationship between the Roman empire calling the area Palestine, which was considered a name of the region, rather than the name of a people. The land was effectively shared between Muslims, Jews, and even Christians. A decision was made to partition some of the land and provide for a place for Jewish settlement after WWII. For a short period of time, as Britain was turning over control of the region to Jewish settlement (according to international law) the new country was named Palestine before being changed to Israel. However, the same flag with the star of David represented both Palestine and Israel. Either way, the land was set aside (regardless of the name) for Jewish settlement and the idea of Palestinian people was still two decades away.


If you want to ask if this was fair? Look no further than the map here to see how the land was partitioned.


Now what about the "occupied" territories? According to most historical viewpoints, Gaza and the West Bank were originally portions of Israel that were invaded and taken over by border Muslim countries who never accepted the idea of Great Britain providing the land in question to Jews. History is murky at this point over what agreements were and were not made about this land. But either way Israel either "took back" or "took" those two areas during the "six day war" in 1967 (about the same time the idea of the Palestinian people was taking shape). While international law at the time recognized the territory as part of Israel, the Muslims believed that Israel took back "more" than what they had had and then started illegally settling in it. All that being said, nearly all borders in this world have been set by the outcome of historical wars or other agreements that took place during wars. It was by war that Muslims took over portions of Israel and it was by war that they lost them back.


Now the current legal reasoning today for Palestinians being entitled to land in Israel is the Oslo Accords which took place during the 1990s. These accords established what is now known as the Palestinian National Authority and provided them some autonomy to govern in areas of Gaza and West Bank. This was supposed to be part of the two state solution, but was largely rejected by the hardliners on both sides. A non-agreed-upon agreement if you will.


That being said, it largely remains the focus of most current disagreements. At issue had been Israeli settlements in these two areas (which have been largely disbanded). But the pro-Palestinians still argue that these territories are occupied because Israeli has military control over both the airspace and territorial waters along with the fact that they have blockaded portions of both Gaza and West Bank. Apparently this military control and these blockades are why the Palestinians suffer so much. I would argue that the only suffering that Israel causes is to the delicate egos of those Palestinians and their supporters who don't like to see them kept in their place or otherwise controlled. Especially when they are being controlled by Jews.


If this sounds like an excuse for the Palestinians and their terrorist friends to keep attacking Israel, well then ding ding ding, I think you figured it out. There is no way on god's green earth that either Hamas or Hezbollah would agree to stop attacking Israel if they just stopped flying airplanes or sailing ships in their area. Well they might agree, but there is no way they would actually stop attacking them. There will always be an excuse to attack the Jews in Israel and attempt to drive them out of the Middle East. It is literally the sole reason most Palestinians will provide for why they attack Israel and why they always will. It is politicians and such (like the squad) who pretend that this is actually a political dispute that has a solution if Israel would just concede a little more.


At the end of the day, the Palestinians want what they never had, which is the entire country of Israel under Muslim control. No doubt each generation grows up being taught something that is not real history about why this holy land is their land by religious right and why the Jewish people are oppressive infidels with no real claim to Israel.

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Unknown member
Oct 14, 2023

And you support Hamas in Gaza City.


So I must have missed where in this post CHT supports Hamas. But I don't have roger's fantasy reading skills. I think he might have gotten you confused with George Soros. If only you had his money. The amount of damage Soros has done to the world with his money is consequential. Roger, nothing measurable other than one misguided vote each cycle.

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Unknown member
Oct 14, 2023

halfbaked@yahoo.com MESSAGE... Gas Prices Fueled Summer Inflation. That Is About to Change. Prices at the pump are tumbling, even as war rages in the Middle East And you support Hamas in Gaza City.


There is dumb and there is halfbaked dumb. He apparently has inside information that nobody else has... perhaps this information comes from Paul Krugman.


Oil and gas prices are climbing again as supply risks multiply

By Anna Cooban, CNN 4 minute read Published 12:24 PM EDT, Fri October 13, 2023


The price of Brent crude, the global oil benchmark, rose more than 4% Friday to trade at nearly $90 a barrel. West Texas Intermediate crude oil futures, the US benchmark, jumped 4.2% to $86 a barrel.

The main driver,…

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