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First poll including Kennedy shows support taken from both...

Trump picks up one point from the inclusion of Kennedy...


Kennedy looks to take six points from Trump, seven points from Biden and picks up another point from the undecideds...


This is just one poll and I am sure we will see more polling out soon. But this will likely surprise those who felt that Kennedy would make a huge difference in the race and especially those (like Nate Silver and Bonchie) who were convinced that Kennedy entering the race would be a death blow to Donald Trump.


For the record, my initial thought was that Kennedy would dig a little more into Biden support than Trump and possibly pull in some of the undecideds who don't want to vote for either. This poll doesn't really prove me right to any real degree, but I would still be more nervous if I was Joe Biden than if I was Donald Trump right now about Kennedy entering.


The other thing to consider here is that the previous poll from Echelon without Kennedy showed Trump only up by 1 point. So to move from a one point lead to a four point lead in just over a month (and by adding Kennedy) does not bode well for Biden either way.


Lastly, I think that the very concept of a Democrat deciding to run third Party is a problem regardless of the polling. We have to look at fundraising and the fact that Kennedy is awful popular with a lot of celebrities who otherwise would be backing (and fundraising for) Biden. Polling will just be one of the issues Biden will face by having to run against another liberal in the General Election.

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Oct 03, 2023
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Oct 03, 2023

Maybe liberalism is self-correcting


I think anything that completely denies reality is self-correcting. Some of these just take longer than others.


In other news, here's a genuine 'good news' story that remarkably had the happiest of endings -


https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/craig-n-ross-charged-kidnapping-charlotte-sena-18403256.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-spotlight


Fortunately for the scumbag, he committed the crime in pro-crime NY, so he's likely looking at a jail term short enough to do it again.


In a case like this I'm an advocate of giving the kid's father one hour with the suspect, armed with a sledgehammer, an axe, and a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire.


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Oct 03, 2023
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